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From Craig E. Young

Port Orange, Fl.

Oct. 15, 2009

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----- Original Message -----

From: Craig E. Young

To: Karl Weinberg ; Steve Rumnock ; poimages@cfl.rr.com ; Margie Patchett ; Vic Miller ; litt ; Dick Fahlbush ; Frank and Doris ; Lee Briggs

Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:16 PM

Subject: parcels yet to be purchased Riverwalk phase 1

 

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN; I PRESENT TO YOU:  THE NEXT MULTI-MILLIONAIRES......IN PORT ORANGE......

 

ESPECIALLY IF BUDDY BUYS THEIR PROPERTY FOR RIVER WALK!

 

 

 

 

Properties yet to be acquired in Riverwalk phase 1 , from Herbert Street south...............

 

Reference: From the Volusia County Property Tax Appraisers website...............

 

 

#1.

 

Current Owner: WINTERS WILLIAM C & SHARON K  

 

Parcel ID; 

Full and Short

 

03-16-33-11-02-0041
6303-11-02-0041

 

Last sale price; $155,000

 

Date of last sale; 1/2001

 

Just Values...........

 

2008: $194,333

 

2007: $201,500

 

WHAT DO YOU THINK?  IS IT WORTH TWO MILLION? OR MORE?

( REMEMBER: If Buddy says it is...IT IS!)

( And the City Council will write him a check for it too!)

 

#2.

 

Current Owner: HEOTZLER RALPH & TAMMY  

 

Parcel ID; Full and Short

 

03-16-33-11-02-0042
6303-11-02-0042

 

Last sale price; $75,000; Qualified Sale

 

Date of last sale; 12/1993

 

Just Values...........

 

2008: $72,341

 

2007: $74,908

 

WHAT DO YOU THINK? 

I'd say its GOTTA BE WORTH A MILLION!  

Maybe Buddy will say MORE?

 

#3.

 

Current Owner: ROAT ROBERT & JEAN  

 

Parcel ID; Full and Short

 

03-16-33-11-02-0060
6303-11-02-0060

 

Last sale price; $350,000;

 

Date of last sale; 6/1977

 

Just Values...........

 

2008: $279,424

 

2007: $289,433

 

OH! MY!  THIS MUST BE WORTH SIX MILLION OR MORE BY NOW!

 

Maybe even $10 million if Buddy's still around....

 

 

Port Orange City Council 2009

Posted Oct. 3, 2009

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Video of the Port Orange

City Council Meeting

of Sept. 22, 2009

is now available to be

viewed at

http://www.port-orange.org/video.php?typ
e=council&s=2009-09-22

Port Orange has big plans for adult center
Daytona Beach News-Journal
By KELLY CUCULIANSKY PORT ORANGE -- The city's longtime hub for everything from parties and painting to woodcarving and card games is getting a makeover ...

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Consolidating our Cities FD's with the County, or in a regional consolidation makes a lot of sense.

see POI's 

Port Orange City Council 2009

PORT ORANGE

TOWN CENTER COMMUNITY

REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY

MEETING OF OCT. 6, 2009

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SHUT UP BEN!

I watched this meeting on my DVR, and am compelled to present

you with my summary of a section of the meeting.  Please correct

me where I might be wrong, but from my perspective, this is what

I think happened at this meeting.

As I understand the situation, in the Port Orange City's effort to build

a Riverwalk Park on the Halifax River, it entered into a partnership

with the private sector, that sector being named the Master

Developer, Mr. La Cour who has been a successful developer in the

area for many years.

Along with that partnership came the need to allow Mr. La Cour to

build two 17 story condos , in the park.

In this Oct. 6 meeting, Mayor Allen Green stated to the effect,

that this project should have had a "shadow partner", because now

a monster has taken off like a rocket.  Or something like that.  When

we review the video of his statement, we can all be more certain of

what Mayor Green exactly said.

I do not like the idea of a city agency going into partnership with the

private sector, on the premise of building something for its citizens.

In my opinion, a rational person in this day in age in corporate

America can't be faulted for having a skeptical  perspective of

partnerships between governmental agencies and the private sector

and I would include not for profit entities.  There are many people

much smarter than I, or the city council, which have concluded that

hanky panky deals take place much too often between governmental

agencies and the business world.

As I understand it, here is what took place regarding La Cour buying

property that eventually will be included in the Riverwalk Project

area.

According to Mr. La Cour, what use to be Caldwell's funeral home,

was sold to  Lohman's funeral home.  3751 Ridgewood Ave.,

Port Orange, Fl.

According to Mr. La Cour, Lohman's had intentions of expanding

its business on the property that it had owned, (before La Cour

bought it)  said expansion to include a cemetery.  And so,

acting as a private partner with the City of Port Orange, Mr.

La Cour bought the property from Lohman's  for over $800,000

thus saving the city of eventually having to go through a

condemnation process

to acquire the land for its redevelopment project.  Or

should/ would this be an "eminent domain" procedure? The thought

comes to me, why would a company expand its business on property

that the city is planned to set its sights on acquiring, with all the

powers a CRA agency has at its disposable.  In fact, the question

I ask, is why would Lohman's originally buy out Cardwell, on property

officially known to be a target for the CRA's phase 3 of its goals.

In any case, Councilman Pohlman pointed out that Lohman's bought

this particular property for about $500,000 last year, and now

sold it to La Cour for $800,000 when property values in our area

have decreased 16 percent   A good point, indeed.

La Cour wants the city of Port Orange to pay the $800,000 to him

for having purchased the property in behalf of the city.

Tom Jordan voted no.

Councilman Kennedy had reservations about this property deal,

but voted yes.

Councilman Pohlmann, voted no.

Vice Mayor Mary Martin voted yes, having remembered initial talks

about this issue, but did not tell us what those talks were.

Councilman Steindoerfer voted yes.

Ben, had raised problems with putting out $800,000 when the city

is struggling to get phase 1 and 2 off the ground, and this

property area was not expected to be in the CRA's sights until

phase 3.  In the exchange between Ben and La Cour, and La Cour's

partner, Ben followed with his argument, which never was addressed

by La Cour and his partner, except in the answer that now was the

time to act on this land acquisition.  Ben did not think that the

city should be putting out money for something that was not due to

be addressed until phase 3.  Mayor Allen Green said to Ben,

"That's enough, Ben!"   I take great exception to Mayor Green

 telling Ben to shut up.  As far as I am concerned, any member

of the CRA board should be allowed to say what he wants, how he

wants to say it, and when he wants to say it, and no dinosaur from

the past golden age of politics in Port Orange, should be allowed

to get away with playing emperor at governmental voting

 procedures.

Yes, the mayor has some muscle, perspective and rights,

but they can be questioned.  My disappointment in Ben, is that

having been rebuked by the Mayor, he voted "yes" to the motion

to give La Cour $800,000.  Am I correct in that? I could hardly hear

Ben's vote, but the Mayor said the motion passed, 5 to 2.  So I

conclude that Pohlman and Jordan were the only two to vote

against the motion to give $800,000 to La Cour.

I can envision possible financial benefits for La Cour to have

bought this property for more than it is worth in the present market.

Of course, Vice Mayor Martin might tell me, that we have to be "fair

 to

developers", but I don't approach such dealings with that attitude.

We have to start being fair to the citizens  who are tax payers,

and not "investors" in Mayor Allen Green's vision of progress in

Port Orange.

Mayor Green commented that the whole, entire picture of this

 Riverwalk

project has to be considered.

So my conclusions:

Mayor Allen Green and Vice Mayor Martin,  did not surprise me

with their analysis of this $800,000 expenditure.

Ben, if you are going to cower before the mayor, perhaps your

usefulness to the citizens of Port Orange has evaporated.

Councilman Kennedy:  You express reservations, but then vote

"yes".  Might you like to explain that decision on your part?

 Tom Jordan, Bravo!

Bob Pohlmann, at this time, I think you are best for us

as the next mayor.  But we shall see who might come up to the

plate when the Mayor spends more time on his farm.

I will be posting video excerpts of this portion of the Oct. 6, 2009

Town CRA meeting.  Hopefully, tonight.

Please, let me set the record straight, and where I need to be

corrected, please do so.  --- Hank,  poimages@cfl.rr.com

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From Al Gigliotti, Port Orange, Fl.

Oct. 8, 2009

Here we go again. First it was Mop head Feeney w/ his condo down in Titusville, which the IRS caught him not paying his earning on the Property, Now we are paying double taxation when we pay taxes to the city for the city hall and the local crooks charge the congressmen for use of office space in our already paid for building. He pays the rent from out income taxes which creates double taxation.  I believe if you read the constitution of the united states, you will find Double taxation is illegal. But on the other hand these crooks who are suppose to represent us could have instituted an amendment to that so they can double tax us on any property. Let's face it this is what they call fighting City haaaaaaaaaaaaall. This is same as In big companies all bids have to open with the presents of at least servable manager to keep everyone straight. After working for the Telephone company & managing a 21 million Dollar budget you'd be surprise the quiet offers you receive in money or dinners ,you name it, that is offered to you for helping their exception in their Bid. I say NO relationship between a contractor & city officials. Period.  

-------- Response from POI Hank

Thank you Al, for your thoughts.  You are connecting the dots, and draw a picture that we are seeing all too
often in governmental agencies.  I had sent an e mail to
the city council members of Port Orange, about a month ago, and suggested to them that we in Port Orange are
connecting the dots, and are getting perhaps suspicious, if not skeptical.  I made mention of the professions some who are on the city council and have been on the  planning commission, which one might wonder interfere
with doing what is right for the tax payers of Port Orange.

As a result of that e mail, Councilman Steindoerfer at at city council meeting stated, that I can ask all the questions I want but he is not going to answer them.  And the Mayor said that he had some comments for me, but couldn't express them (in public?).

So, now we have another dot, or more dots to connect
for the total picture.  I am at this time preparing the video
excerpts of this CRA meeting, and hope to have the video posted tonight.  There will be at least 3 parts.

Thank you Al, for your thoughts.  I am thinking the same way. --- hank
 

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10 6 09 part 1r cra meeting port orange

A video segment from POG TV,

channel 199, Bright House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfH6a73UOj4

10 06 09 part 2 cra meeting port orange

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A video segment from POG TV, channel 199, Brighthouse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5k29NhsLVo

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10 6 09 part 3 cra meeting port orange

I guess You Tube did not yet get part 1.

I will check tomorrow.

Al together there are 3 parts.

A video segment from POG TV, channel 199, Brighthouse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFfNGCSZeKM